I added a small bash script on github
https://github.com/dmalves/compile-gambit-for-android
to help on the compilation of gambit for android. Using gambit 4.7.0 there are no errors, and it does compile to x86, arm and mips, creating a directory for each of the architectures.
I tested using the emulator and it worked for all architectures.
I loved alvatar's scheme sphere project on github. Maybe I could help a little, coz I am (when time is on my side) developing an app using gambit on android.
Anyway, I'll be making that script better, it is a mess now. Maybe it should have some command line arguments to tell what version to compile, what optimizations to use or maybe download gambit source if not available in current directory.
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Hi Daniel,
I'm glad you found the http://schemespheres.org project interesting. It's been used by four student teams to build little Android games with Gambit, and even though I couldn't work on it for the last 3 months, I plan to keep working on it. My intention is to make it easy to build real multiplatform applications by providing a compilation of selected modules (some I built, some are compatibly licensed by the community MIT, BSD or similar).
As soon as a simple and flexible module system is built for Gambit, it will be built using it (unfortunately Blackhole didn't make it easy to handle C files and cross-compilation, which has been long discussed here). At the moment, it uses a set of scripts for managing compilation and macro expansions is just a two-step process involving syntax-rules (through Alexpander) and then define-macro as natively supported by Gambit.
Many things to improve, and happy to bring collaborators in.
Cheers!
Álvaro Castro-Castilla -- a@fourthbit.com Dedicated to the Craft of Software: Turning Ideas into Reality
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 9:54 PM, tcl super dude tcleval@gmail.com wrote:
I added a small bash script on github
https://github.com/dmalves/compile-gambit-for-android
to help on the compilation of gambit for android. Using gambit 4.7.0 there are no errors, and it does compile to x86, arm and mips, creating a directory for each of the architectures.
I tested using the emulator and it worked for all architectures.
I loved alvatar's scheme sphere project on github. Maybe I could help a little, coz I am (when time is on my side) developing an app using gambit on android.
Anyway, I'll be making that script better, it is a mess now. Maybe it should have some command line arguments to tell what version to compile, what optimizations to use or maybe download gambit source if not available in current directory.
Gambit-list mailing list Gambit-list@iro.umontreal.ca https://webmail.iro.umontreal.ca/mailman/listinfo/gambit-list
are these games open source? if so, could you paste a link here? I am going to have some quality time with sphere and try to port some libraries to this framework.
A modulo system would be welcome, and it could have those kind of tools that manage all modules: download, compile, install. That kind of tool would make the life of and schemer android developer a lot easier.
I've been looking for a good way to make scheme work on android for any kind of application. For now, sphere looks promising for game programming, but I would like to see something like https://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/ work for scheme. I am investigating how sl4a interpreters work, so I can build an interface to sl4a. sl4a can do standalone apps, so a gambit-c app could be a single apk, and no need to install sl4a.
I am able to build an android app (java + scheme), java handles the gui part and scheme logic part. Scheme runs on its own thread as an android SERVICE http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Service.html the problem is that the mix of java, jni, ndk, scheme gets a lot complicated if one wants to build an simple app from scratch. If we had sl4a or something limilar, the schemer could spend more time writing scheme code and not worrying about java, jni or ndk at all.
2013/7/31 Álvaro Castro-Castilla alvaro.castro.castilla@gmail.com
Hi Daniel,
I'm glad you found the http://schemespheres.org project interesting. It's been used by four student teams to build little Android games with Gambit, and even though I couldn't work on it for the last 3 months, I plan to keep working on it. My intention is to make it easy to build real multiplatform applications by providing a compilation of selected modules (some I built, some are compatibly licensed by the community MIT, BSD or similar).
As soon as a simple and flexible module system is built for Gambit, it will be built using it (unfortunately Blackhole didn't make it easy to handle C files and cross-compilation, which has been long discussed here). At the moment, it uses a set of scripts for managing compilation and macro expansions is just a two-step process involving syntax-rules (through Alexpander) and then define-macro as natively supported by Gambit.
Many things to improve, and happy to bring collaborators in.
Cheers!
Álvaro Castro-Castilla -- a@fourthbit.com Dedicated to the Craft of Software: Turning Ideas into RealityOn Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 9:54 PM, tcl super dude tcleval@gmail.com wrote:
I added a small bash script on github
https://github.com/dmalves/compile-gambit-for-android
to help on the compilation of gambit for android. Using gambit 4.7.0 there are no errors, and it does compile to x86, arm and mips, creating a directory for each of the architectures.
I tested using the emulator and it worked for all architectures.
I loved alvatar's scheme sphere project on github. Maybe I could help a little, coz I am (when time is on my side) developing an app using gambit on android.
Anyway, I'll be making that script better, it is a mess now. Maybe it should have some command line arguments to tell what version to compile, what optimizations to use or maybe download gambit source if not available in current directory.
Gambit-list mailing list Gambit-list@iro.umontreal.ca https://webmail.iro.umontreal.ca/mailman/listinfo/gambit-list
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 09:26:00AM -0300, tcl super dude wrote:
are these games open source? if so, could you paste a link here? I am going to have some quality time with sphere and try to port some libraries to this framework.
Such examples of usage would probably make it easier for a beginner to think his way into schemespheres. If you could get the right copyright clearances for any of these applications, please post them. If not, perhaps the the developers to make the .apk's available, perhaps with a mention of schemespheres. This could make schemespheres better known.
-- hendrik
I installed sphere-core and sphere-math, but I don't know how to load the module math, and I guess (%check-module 'math) does not work. I looks to me that sphere is different from what is said on the tutorial http://www.schemespheres.org/guides/en/quickstart . Álvaro would you please write a small tutorial here on maillist so I know where to start contributing to sphere? Once I get sphere working I am going to I write tutorials and document internal parts (and maybe post on the wiki), so everyone can access the tutorials.
2013/7/31 Hendrik Boom hendrik@topoi.pooq.com
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 09:26:00AM -0300, tcl super dude wrote:
are these games open source? if so, could you paste a link here? I am
going
to have some quality time with sphere and try to port some libraries to this framework.
Such examples of usage would probably make it easier for a beginner to think his way into schemespheres. If you could get the right copyright clearances for any of these applications, please post them. If not, perhaps the the developers to make the .apk's available, perhaps with a mention of schemespheres. This could make schemespheres better known.
-- hendrik _______________________________________________ Gambit-list mailing list Gambit-list@iro.umontreal.ca https://webmail.iro.umontreal.ca/mailman/listinfo/gambit-list
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:47 PM, tcl super dude tcleval@gmail.com wrote:
I installed sphere-core and sphere-math, but I don't know how to load the module math, and I guess (%check-module 'math) does not work. I looks to me that sphere is different from what is said on the tutorial http://www.schemespheres.org/guides/en/quickstart . Álvaro would you please write a small tutorial here on maillist so I know where to start contributing to sphere? Once I get sphere working I am going to I write tutorials and document internal parts (and maybe post on the wiki), so everyone can access the tutorials.
Hi,
The tutorials are completely outdated :( I'll update them as soon as I can and post it here, just give me one day. If you want to document anything, I can give you access to the administration of the site, so you can write any new guide. It uses markdown and automatic syntax coloring, so it's pretty easy and fast to write. I made this stuff using Ruby on Rails.
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:47 PM, tcl super dude tcleval@gmail.com wrote:
I installed sphere-core and sphere-math, but I don't know how to load the module math, and I guess (%check-module 'math) does not work. I looks to me that sphere is different from what is said on the tutorial http://www.schemespheres.org/guides/en/quickstart . Álvaro would you please write a small tutorial here on maillist so I know where to start contributing to sphere? Once I get sphere working I am going to I write tutorials and document internal parts (and maybe post on the wiki), so everyone can access the tutorials.
Hi Daniel,
Could you please tell me if the guides http://www.schemespheres.org/guides/en/quickstart and http://www.schemespheres.org/guides/en/spheres seem to work well for you?
Otherwise, could you please let me know which errors you get and what information is lacking? Let's try to write a short but comprehensive guide.
Such examples of usage would probably make it easier for a beginner to think his way into schemespheres. If you could get the right copyright clearances for any of these applications, please post them. If not, perhaps the the developers to make the .apk's available, perhaps with a mention of schemespheres. This could make schemespheres better known.
Definitely. I'll try to get the copyright clearances, I think is necessary. Otherwise, I plan to make my own tutorials and examples. Everything is still quite alpha, and I prefer few but high-quality examples.
Hi,
Unfortunately these games are not opensource. They aren't very high quality games anyway. So I plan to fix this, by making small games and tutorials. I plan to make all these tutorials and guides available, make links and everything that is lacking at the moment.
I'd like to include a module system, but that's a complex task that I can't handle at the moment myself. I can make one work with Spheres :)
At the moment, this is focused on NDK-level development, for instance using SDL. This makes it possible to program with OpenGL, and using JNI you can get some of the functionality only available to the Java SDK interface reasonably easy. However, I don't see this method a practical solution for native Android GUI apps.
Anyway, is better to start by something simple: NDK and OpenGL. When this works well, then try with some techniques for fully supporting the SDK interface at Java level. That would be lovely.
One solution could be SL4A, other might be mixing Gambit with Kawa, or a Gambit Java backend.
Álvaro Castro-Castilla -- a@fourthbit.com Dedicated to the Craft of Software: Turning Ideas into Reality
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 2:26 PM, tcl super dude tcleval@gmail.com wrote:
are these games open source? if so, could you paste a link here? I am going to have some quality time with sphere and try to port some libraries to this framework.
A modulo system would be welcome, and it could have those kind of tools that manage all modules: download, compile, install. That kind of tool would make the life of and schemer android developer a lot easier.
I've been looking for a good way to make scheme work on android for any kind of application. For now, sphere looks promising for game programming, but I would like to see something like https://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/ work for scheme. I am investigating how sl4a interpreters work, so I can build an interface to sl4a. sl4a can do standalone apps, so a gambit-c app could be a single apk, and no need to install sl4a.
I am able to build an android app (java + scheme), java handles the gui part and scheme logic part. Scheme runs on its own thread as an android SERVICE http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Service.html the problem is that the mix of java, jni, ndk, scheme gets a lot complicated if one wants to build an simple app from scratch. If we had sl4a or something limilar, the schemer could spend more time writing scheme code and not worrying about java, jni or ndk at all.
2013/7/31 Álvaro Castro-Castilla alvaro.castro.castilla@gmail.com
Hi Daniel,
I'm glad you found the http://schemespheres.org project interesting. It's been used by four student teams to build little Android games with Gambit, and even though I couldn't work on it for the last 3 months, I plan to keep working on it. My intention is to make it easy to build real multiplatform applications by providing a compilation of selected modules (some I built, some are compatibly licensed by the community MIT, BSD or similar).
As soon as a simple and flexible module system is built for Gambit, it will be built using it (unfortunately Blackhole didn't make it easy to handle C files and cross-compilation, which has been long discussed here). At the moment, it uses a set of scripts for managing compilation and macro expansions is just a two-step process involving syntax-rules (through Alexpander) and then define-macro as natively supported by Gambit.
Many things to improve, and happy to bring collaborators in.
Cheers!
Álvaro Castro-Castilla -- a@fourthbit.com Dedicated to the Craft of Software: Turning Ideas into RealityOn Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 9:54 PM, tcl super dude tcleval@gmail.comwrote:
I added a small bash script on github
https://github.com/dmalves/compile-gambit-for-android
to help on the compilation of gambit for android. Using gambit 4.7.0 there are no errors, and it does compile to x86, arm and mips, creating a directory for each of the architectures.
I tested using the emulator and it worked for all architectures.
I loved alvatar's scheme sphere project on github. Maybe I could help a little, coz I am (when time is on my side) developing an app using gambit on android.
Anyway, I'll be making that script better, it is a mess now. Maybe it should have some command line arguments to tell what version to compile, what optimizations to use or maybe download gambit source if not available in current directory.
Gambit-list mailing list Gambit-list@iro.umontreal.ca https://webmail.iro.umontreal.ca/mailman/listinfo/gambit-list
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