I wish I would have found schemespheres.org earlier. Thinks like these should be mentioned in the wiki.
Razvan
On 11 December 2013 19:00, gambit-list-request@iro.umontreal.ca wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Álvaro Castro-Castilla" alvaro.castro.castilla@gmail.com To: Marc Feeley feeley@iro.umontreal.ca Cc: Gambit List gambit-list@iro.umontreal.ca Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 12:40:47 +0100 Subject: Re: [gambit-list] Lack of Libraries/ FFI / Tutorials On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Marc Feeley feeley@iro.umontreal.cawrote:
On Dec 10, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Álvaro Castro-Castilla < alvaro.castro.castilla@gmail.com> wrote:
I've been basically doing that with schemespheres.org but I had to
dedicate more time to other stuff. I plan on revisiting it.
You are right, these are outdated, but there are many other projects
(mainly in github) with more recent versions. Gambit certainly favours "the hacker way". If you enjoy you are at home ;)
I'm really impressed with SchemeSpheres. Keep up the good work!
Marc
Thanks a lot Marc :) It certainly encourages me to keep working on it! I've just updated the main page, to better explain what the project is trying to do.
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On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Răzvan Rotaru razvan.rotaru@gmail.comwrote:
I wish I would have found schemespheres.org earlier. Thinks like these should be mentioned in the wiki.
Razvan
Yes, that'd be nice ;) But bear in mind that the project is still evolving and in alpha stage, so I didn't talk too much about it for that reason. We are going to make it a solid foundation upon which you can build your own apps. But that takes time :)
At the moment is already helpful, it should work. If you need assistance with its installation or you are experiencing any issues, please don't hesitate to contact me so it can be improved.
Best regards
Álvaro
Do you plan to make something like FreeBSD's ports or rather something like quicklisp?
P!
On 16 December 2013 23:53, Álvaro Castro-Castilla alvaro.castro.castilla@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Răzvan Rotaru razvan.rotaru@gmail.com wrote:
I wish I would have found schemespheres.org earlier. Thinks like these should be mentioned in the wiki.
Razvan
Yes, that'd be nice ;) But bear in mind that the project is still evolving and in alpha stage, so I didn't talk too much about it for that reason. We are going to make it a solid foundation upon which you can build your own apps. But that takes time :)
At the moment is already helpful, it should work. If you need assistance with its installation or you are experiencing any issues, please don't hesitate to contact me so it can be improved.
Best regards
Álvaro
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I'm not a FreeBSD user, but as far as I know, Gentoo's portage is pretty similar, and I'm familiar with it. I think that would be overengineering at the moment. About Quicklisp: it seems interesting. It seems pretty similar, but I don't know it in detail. The tools I'm building are similar to Rake (ruby) / NPM (node.js) / Yeoman
What I'm doing is a set of curated libraries growing organically. It's everything pretty simple, though. It's better to have something simple that works, and build upon that. Just like Gambit does, but for the application developer who wants to start from something and still have all the flexibility Gambit provides.
I'll create better documentation during the next days, so the most important pieces are well documented, and can be improved on top of what is already done. There is a lot to be done =)
Álvaro Castro-Castilla -- a@fourthbit.com Fourthbit: Turning Ideas into Reality. -- Visit the Bloghttp://blog.fourthbit.com
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Adrien Piérard pierarda@iro.umontreal.cawrote:
Do you plan to make something like FreeBSD's ports or rather something like quicklisp?
P!
On 16 December 2013 23:53, Álvaro Castro-Castilla alvaro.castro.castilla@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Răzvan Rotaru razvan.rotaru@gmail.com wrote:
I wish I would have found schemespheres.org earlier. Thinks like these should be mentioned in the wiki.
Razvan
Yes, that'd be nice ;) But bear in mind that the project is still evolving and in alpha stage,
so I
didn't talk too much about it for that reason. We are going to make it a solid foundation upon which you can build your own apps. But that takes
time
:)
At the moment is already helpful, it should work. If you need assistance with its installation or you are experiencing any issues, please don't hesitate to contact me so it can be improved.
Best regards
Álvaro
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Yes, portage is similar to FreeBSD's ports. Roughly: Ports/Portage: no every package can be updated independently by anyone who's got the rights. As a result, if things worked one month ago, and are now broken, you may have to revert many packages. Quicklisp: All packages are integrated together in a single release by the release manager. Tthe manager usually checked that everything builds well before making a release. There's much more investment there for the manager, but life is easier for users for the set of packages is always consistent.
P!
On 17 December 2013 13:33, Álvaro Castro-Castilla < alvaro.castro.castilla@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not a FreeBSD user, but as far as I know, Gentoo's portage is pretty similar, and I'm familiar with it. I think that would be overengineering at the moment. About Quicklisp: it seems interesting. It seems pretty similar, but I don't know it in detail. The tools I'm building are similar to Rake (ruby) / NPM (node.js) / Yeoman
What I'm doing is a set of curated libraries growing organically. It's everything pretty simple, though. It's better to have something simple that works, and build upon that. Just like Gambit does, but for the application developer who wants to start from something and still have all the flexibility Gambit provides.
I'll create better documentation during the next days, so the most important pieces are well documented, and can be improved on top of what is already done. There is a lot to be done =)
Álvaro Castro-Castilla -- a@fourthbit.com Fourthbit: Turning Ideas into Reality. -- Visit the Blog<http://blog.fourthbit.com>On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Adrien Piérard <pierarda@iro.umontreal.ca
wrote:
Do you plan to make something like FreeBSD's ports or rather something like quicklisp?
P!
On 16 December 2013 23:53, Álvaro Castro-Castilla alvaro.castro.castilla@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Răzvan Rotaru <razvan.rotaru@gmail.com
wrote:
I wish I would have found schemespheres.org earlier. Thinks like these should be mentioned in the wiki.
Razvan
Yes, that'd be nice ;) But bear in mind that the project is still evolving and in alpha stage,
so I
didn't talk too much about it for that reason. We are going to make it a solid foundation upon which you can build your own apps. But that takes
time
:)
At the moment is already helpful, it should work. If you need assistance with its installation or you are experiencing any issues, please don't hesitate to contact me so it can be improved.
Best regards
Álvaro
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I see. Well, clearly the second at the moment (with versioning, so you can have different versions in your system). These packages are going to be curated. I'm very open to suggestions, collaborations, and participation, of course. But I plan on using this for real projects, and I want cohesion among the packages. That, I think, is what is always lacking in Scheme systems. For instance, in Spheres, all FFI packages use the same "ffi infrastructure" and idioms. I rather have 20 spheres that work well than 150 where 30 do the same in different ways, 40 don't work, 50 are obscure, 30 outdated... That's why there is no release yet of SchemeSpheres, it's at development stage. (So if you try to make it work, please bear in mind that. I'll try to fix whatever is broken if you get errors). Also, I believe that having SchemeSpheres designed as a "batteries included" means that it needs to be designed, not just a bunch of libraries.
I know this has been tried many times before. The key points in this project, that I find unique, are: - _Curated set of libraries_, biased towards the most common application uses (at least at the beginning). - _Flexible & hackable_. I'm not building a Framework here. The intention is that the hacker gets the boring things so he/she can focus on the cool parts. But, it can be fully and easily customized. Otherwise we are not respecting the hacker yay ;) - R5RS plus Gambit extensions. _Only hygienic syntax-rules_. Define-macros are only used for ver very very necessary things such as FFI, and they are treated specially by SchemeSpheres. - Homogeneous, cohesive, coherent. At least to some extent and as far as I can.
Other points: - Grow organically, trying not to be overambitious. - SRFIs are not in a sphere called "SRFI". They are placed somewhere makes more sense. A SRFI that defines a datastructure is not the same as a argument-processing one, reader extension or whatever. - No modules until R7RS or any standard system is established. Modules are complicated and we still don't have a good solution that works in all cases and allows to use Gambit to its full power (No, Blackhole doesn't allow, just try to do what I'm doing here to know by yourself, I wasted months with that). I'm all in for a module system, but it needs to be flexible and lightweight. - The cool things that Gambit offers are exposed, and easy to use. Example: remote coding/debugging in mobile apps. - Whatever is in SchemeSpheres you can use without SchemeSpheres, just as plain Gambit code (ie. no additional syntax in the code itself).
Of course, many of this things are work in progress.
Álvaro Castro-Castilla -- a@fourthbit.com Fourthbit: Turning Ideas into Reality. -- Visit the Blog
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 1:18 AM, Adrien Piérard pierarda@iro.umontreal.ca wrote:
Yes, portage is similar to FreeBSD's ports. Roughly: Ports/Portage: no every package can be updated independently by anyone
who's
got the rights. As a result, if things worked one month ago, and are now broken, you may have to revert many packages. Quicklisp: All packages are integrated together in a single release by the release manager. Tthe manager usually checked that everything builds well before making a release. There's much more investment there for the
manager,
but life is easier for users for the set of packages is always consistent.
P!
On 17 December 2013 13:33, Álvaro Castro-Castilla alvaro.castro.castilla@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not a FreeBSD user, but as far as I know, Gentoo's portage is pretty similar, and I'm familiar with it. I think that would be overengineering
at
the moment. About Quicklisp: it seems interesting. It seems pretty similar, but I don't know it in detail. The tools I'm building are similar to Rake (ruby) / NPM (node.js) /
Yeoman
What I'm doing is a set of curated libraries growing organically. It's everything pretty simple, though. It's better to have something simple
that
works, and build upon that. Just like Gambit does, but for the
application
developer who wants to start from something and still have all the flexibility Gambit provides.
I'll create better documentation during the next days, so the most important pieces are well documented, and can be improved on top of what
is
already done. There is a lot to be done =)
Álvaro Castro-Castilla -- a@fourthbit.com Fourthbit: Turning Ideas into Reality. -- Visit the BlogOn Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Adrien Piérard pierarda@iro.umontreal.ca wrote:
Do you plan to make something like FreeBSD's ports or rather something like quicklisp?
P!
On 16 December 2013 23:53, Álvaro Castro-Castilla alvaro.castro.castilla@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Răzvan Rotaru razvan.rotaru@gmail.com wrote:
I wish I would have found schemespheres.org earlier. Thinks like
these
should be mentioned in the wiki.
Razvan
Yes, that'd be nice ;) But bear in mind that the project is still evolving and in alpha
stage,
so I didn't talk too much about it for that reason. We are going to make it a solid foundation upon which you can build your own apps. But that
takes
time :)
At the moment is already helpful, it should work. If you need assistance with its installation or you are experiencing any issues, please don't hesitate to contact me so it can be improved.
Best regards
Álvaro
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