John Ioannidis - Reproducibility of scientific results

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On Saturday, September 5, 2015 9:13 PM, David Warde-Farley <d.warde.farley@gmail.com> wrote:


I would argue that it's a social problem that is at least partly solved by enforcing community norms on archival publication venues, i.e. Reject anything that doesn't have compelling results on known public benchmarks (if there's other less reproducible stuff too, fine).
If it's just people posting on arXiv, there's little to be done about it. We are better off having those unpublished reports in public view than not, though they are clearly a less compelling and less trustworthy form of evidence.
On Sep 5, 2015 8:05 PM, "Yoshua Bengio" <yoshua.umontreal@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes. It's sad.

2015-09-05 19:44 GMT-04:00 Alex Lamb <alex6200@gmail.com>:
A lot of the papers that I've read recently use a private training set and a public testing set (for example, the Google and Facebook face recognition papers).  In areas where the largest datasets are privately held, research is probably going to continue to be impossible to fully reproduce.  

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 7:03 PM, David Krueger <david.scott.krueger@gmail.com> wrote:
To what extent can this be remedied by using aws or similar?
On Sep 5, 2015 7:00 PM, "David Warde-Farley" <d.warde.farley@gmail.com> wrote:
Very encouraging to see this happening and that other people are
concerned about it.

I would add that reproducibility in machine learning looks simple
compared to other scientific domains, but looks are deceiving. Every
"simple Python script" is built upon a broad and deep tower of library
dependencies, leading to an exponential number of ways that your
computing environment can conspire against you (nevermind hardware
differences...).

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Yoshua Bengio
<yoshua.umontreal@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Very interesting!
> Reproducibility is VERY weak in the machine learning community, and needs to
> be improved.
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